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#105276 - 07/28/08 08:19 AM
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BlankKeys
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Sad but true. One of those things that almost makes you smile, but has you sadly shaking your head at the same time.
Thanks for sharing, Harry. Stay safe!
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#105283 - 07/28/08 09:17 AM
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vernondi
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And in the USA they didn't know what 'the rest of the world' meant.
Never mind the fact that the US sends millions of dollars every year to different parts of the world in order to feed and educate third world countries so they can become more self sufficient and stop starving to death.
Perhaps the word Canada should have replaced the word USA. And I certainly don't remember ANY other country or continent rushing to the aid of the US in times of crisis, especially those listed in that stupid "joke."
Yeah it was a joke, I get it, but it's a real crappy one considering the US has sent countless provisions and billions of dollars in monetary donations to every single placed mentioned in that so-called joke.
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#105285 - 07/28/08 09:31 AM
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bobbcat
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Well said, vermondi.
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#105287 - 07/28/08 10:37 AM
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FarAwayDeb
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Maybe it was meant as a dig at Americans' poor knowledge of geography? I know I am certainly guilty of that.
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#105288 - 07/28/08 10:51 AM
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tropsicleAfter
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It's true that our largess with foreign aid exceeds that of all other countries, but the concept of the Ugly American is equally true.
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#105290 - 07/28/08 10:59 AM
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moaab
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If we quit giving aid to other countries for the period of one year, I think that everyone would see how much the U.S. really does for those other countries in need. Of course, they wouldn't see it that way. They would just say we're being mean and greedy.
I'm not saying we should do that. It's just a hypothetical.
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#105292 - 07/28/08 11:16 AM
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Magda
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Yes, our government gives large amounts of aid to other countries, as do our private citizens when there is a disaster or crisis in another country. Also, there are large numbers of American volunteers and aid workers in countries throughout the world.
That said, how many Americans could find some of those countries on a map? How many Americans can tell you, even in brief, the history of the humanitarian crises in Congo or Darfur or Haiti or human rights issues in Uzbekistan or Eritrea? How many Americans could name more than 10 leaders of foreign governments or another country's system of government? I am afraid that unless it accompanied by some interesting video footage or is a colossal disaster, most world news is not generally covered in depth by our MSM, which is really quite sad and should be just the opposite considering all the time they have to fill.
There are Americans who are well informed about international news, but they have to actively seek out that information.
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#105296 - 07/28/08 12:07 PM
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fostermama
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We give them money-but are they grateful? No, they're spiteful and they're hateful They don't respect us-so let's surprise them We'll drop the big one and pulverize them . . .
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#105317 - 07/28/08 01:53 PM
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vernondi
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It's precisely why I have never and will never donate money to any world relief funds or organizations. I have only ever donated money to local charities and organizations (local meaning within the US).
I don't give my kids money if they don't intend on thanking me, appreciate it, or handle the money responsibly...why the heck would I give my money to someone halfway around the world who goes out of their way to proclaim their hatred and disgust towards the US as they have their pockets open screaming that they're entitled to handouts from the US, all the while misappropriating the funds and then begging for more because it's never enough, then pop out a few dozen more kids so we can watch them starve to death on national TV and feel bad and write them more checks and send them more funds, and then have them get pissed off because didn't send enough, and then start blowing up their own citizens on national TV so we can again feel bad and somehow guilty and responsible and then write even more checks and send more funds so they can pretend to rebuild their God forsaken craphole "cities" as they continue to kill their own citizens? Ain't gonna happen. Charity begins at home, my friends...and if we can't even take care of our own homeless, elderly, widowed, sick, and dying people and make sure our own babies are fed, clothed, and healthy, then we should NOT be worrying about the rest of the world.
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#105323 - 07/28/08 02:26 PM
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fostermama
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IMO, even the organized charities in the U.S. are iffy, just by the nature of the beast. CEO salaries to be paid, mailers to go out, TV commercials.
When I donate money, it's pretty strictly in the community. I'm much more likely to give what I can to our food bank drive or my church toy drive or my local animal shelter than I am to fire off a check somewhere to somebody I've never even seen. You can't save the whole world.
I don't check off the box to give $3 to the presidential election fund either.
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#105331 - 07/28/08 03:21 PM
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sheepshearinglady
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Compassion should extend to all humanity, whether they are in our country or not.
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#105355 - 07/28/08 07:51 PM
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BlankKeys
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The piece wasn't exactly complimentary to any country, but gives a little insight at what is lacking in them. I guess you could read it two ways: 1) Americans are not great at world geography (heaven knows I'm not - it just wasn't emphasized when I was in school) or 2) That we Americans don't think there is any place or way to live other than ours that matters. 
We all know this country gives a lot -- too much IMO -- to other countries in the guise of foreign aid. I do agree that charity begins at home, though, and we need to solve the many problems we have here before attempting to solve those of other countries. Still, an interesting and thought provoking piece to my mind.
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#105535 - 07/30/08 01:58 AM
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Agnostic
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And in the USA they didn't know what 'the rest of the world' meant. Never mind the fact that the US sends millions of dollars every year to different parts of the world in order to feed and educate third world countries so they can become more self sufficient and stop starving to death. Perhaps the word Canada should have replaced the word USA. And I certainly don't remember ANY other country or continent rushing to the aid of the US in times of crisis, especially those listed in that stupid "joke." Yeah it was a joke, I get it, but it's a real crappy one considering the US has sent countless provisions and billions of dollars in monetary donations to every single placed mentioned in that so-called joke.
Interesting web site--UK based, of course...
The US ranks 22nd among the world's most 22 developed nations...
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#105604 - 07/30/08 04:34 PM
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mtag
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From the same article:
Comparing USA aid to that of European countries is not in itself a simple task. The American people are actually no less generous than those of other developed countries. By comparing aid as a percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) you measure the amount of aid that is given by individuals. On this scale, Americans look angelic, giving twice as much as Britons or Canadians.
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#105614 - 07/30/08 05:14 PM
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tropsicleAfter
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Also, when comparing it as a percentage, one misses completely the total amount of foreign aid given.
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#105620 - 07/30/08 05:46 PM
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14tonks
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Also, when comparing it as a percentage, one misses completely the total amount of foreign aid given.
Quite true. However, if one looks only at total dollars, one misses the "widow's mite" aspect. It's perfectly valid to look at what percentage of their income someone gives away rather than just how many dollars they give when judging how generous they actually are.
I was also taught that the first rule of true generosity was that you give it away without strings, strings including the expectation of receiving someone's lifetime undying gratitude in return. Ego-boosting through philanthropy isn't exactly the same as generosity. The truly generous person is the one who is as happy or happier to make an anonymous donation as one with their name on it.
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#105624 - 07/30/08 06:01 PM
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tropsicleAfter
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Granted, but I don't think a government's foreign aid, which is what I was talking about way up there, has ever been in that widow's mite category - not our government, for sure, and not other governments either.
It IS interesting to see how many of those countries that give more (as a percentage) than we do that also have some form of socialized medicine, and those that are thought of as much more social-domestic oriented.
Also interesting is that our foriegn aid over an approximately four-year period, which some, even here, have advocated eliminating, was only about the cost of the war for one month.
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#105628 - 07/30/08 06:21 PM
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14tonks
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I agree that most governmental foreign aid has much more to do with politics than charity, which may explain why the results it gets from its recipients is not necessarily unalloyed gratitude. (Speaking of which, did anyone notice we totally torpedoed international trade negotiations this week because we felt our agribusinesses' gigantic profits needed much more protection than the marginal incomes of subsistence-level third world farmers?)
However, it is still valid to look at aid as a percentage of a nation's total wealth when calculating who is giving away "more."
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#105636 - 07/30/08 07:33 PM
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mtag
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Torpedoed?
From the AP:
The talks hit a snag over an obscure "safeguard" for protecting agricultural producers in the developing world from a sudden surge in imports or drop in commodity prices.
While farm import safeguards currently exist in rich and poor countries, they are rarely used and reflect only a minute portion of the billions of dollars in manufacturing, farm and services gains the WTO's Doha trade round was supposed to create.
"In the face of global food price crisis, it is ironic that the debate came down to how much and how fast could nations raise their barriers to imports of food," said U.S. Trade Representative Susan Schwab, who resisted attempts by China and India to ensure a loophole for developing countries allowing them to increase farm tariffs as part of an agreement.
Schwab called the measure "blatant protectionism."
and further down in the article: U.S. officials were bitter after agreeing under the deal to limit U.S. farm subsidies deemed to unfairly distort international trade to under $14.5 billion. Although it is still above actual payments to American farmers, it was a far lower level than Washington had ever accepted and seemed to gain the support of all 153 WTO members.
Some took the U.S. movement as an important step, noting that it came after a contentious five-year, $291 billion farm bill that maintained and even extended a number of U.S. subsidy programs. But others noted that offers were made without any congressional weight, citing President Bush's lack of a "fast track" authority to submit a trade deal to Congress for a yes-or-no vote.
And perhaps the news isn't all bad: from here
In the U.S., Democrats have refused to renew President George W. Bush's fast-track trade negotiating authority, leaving the nation on the sidelines for bilateral deals. Congress won't approve pending deals with Colombia, South Korea and Panama. (Don't want to hurt that 14% approval rating)
And regarding the percentage issue, if we give $1 billion and another country gives $100 million, yet they have the higher percentage, are they still "better?" Who is ultimately doing the most good?
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