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#107566 - 08/14/08 07:55 PM What is Wrong With People?
bobbcat bobbcat Member Registered: 03/27/03 Posts: 6981 Loc: My office.	The Fairness Doctrine gets a thumbs up from a substantial percentage of those polled, as this story shows. I am astounded that any policy that would serve to undermine the first amendment would get this much support. _________________________ Bottom line, it's either M-TEC or Andrews.
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#107568 - 08/14/08 08:08 PM Re: What is Wrong With People [Re: bobbcat]
tropsicleAfter tropsicleAfter Member Registered: 10/30/06 Posts: 2674 Loc: Vicksburg, MS	The original equal-time regulations were put in place when there were only 3 networks and somewhat made sense then. Now, with the complete proliferation brought about by cable and the internet, I cannot see any justification for continued or regenerated regulations requiring this kind of fairness. That said, I think it is a total stretch to relate this to the First Amendment prohibition on free speech. My understanding is that there is no proposal to limit free speech, but to require the inclusion of other points of view. Again, I'm not for this, but it really isn't a First Amendment issue. _________________________ *tropsicle*
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#107570 - 08/14/08 08:16 PM Re: What is Wrong With People [Re: tropsicleAfter]
bobbcat bobbcat Member Registered: 03/27/03 Posts: 6981 Loc: My office.	Quote: Again, I'm not for this, but it really isn't a First Amendment issue. It is in the way such a policy would affect the affiliates. As I have heard a number of radio people say (and yes I am going by that), that if they are forced to carry a number of contrasting viewpoints (read shows) that won't likely attract the advertising revenue, then they would simply go to another format (such as rock, hip hop, country, etc.). There goes the venues through which some talk shows could broadcast. Of course, there will always be Sirius radio..... _________________________ Bottom line, it's either M-TEC or Andrews.
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#107571 - 08/14/08 08:23 PM Re: What is Wrong With People [Re: bobbcat]
tropsicleAfter tropsicleAfter Member Registered: 10/30/06 Posts: 2674 Loc: Vicksburg, MS	Yes, there will always be an outlet if the market is there, and it does appear that the market is there. Honestly, even with a Democratically controlled Congress I cannot see this being enacted. I do believe some Dems have talked it up, and it is evident that Pub policy wanks are spreading the fear factor, but I'm pretty sure this is just normal back and forth. If the Pubs hadn't treated the Dems so badly for the first term (plus two years) of Dubya's presidency, perhaps the backlash wouldn't be so strong now. _________________________ *tropsicle*
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#107581 - 08/14/08 09:51 PM Re: What is Wrong With People [Re: tropsicleAfter]
Glory1863 Glory1863 Member Registered: 03/27/08 Posts: 364 Loc: Beyond Antares	One of the things that I would like to see tried in order to cut down on the cost of elections and thereby, one would hope, cut down on the amount of corruption (not to mention voter disgust) would be to cut all the obnoxious ads and in their place require all TV and radio stations to give X amount of free time to all candidates "to serve the public interest" as their broadcast licenses require. What the candidates do with that time would be strictly up to them. They want to call their opponents every bad word there is. Fine. They want to spend the time telling the voters who they are, what they believe and what they'd like to accomplish. Fine. They want to tell dirty jokes. Fine. They want to read the phone book. Fine. But when their time is up, it's up, and they don't get anymore. _________________________ The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. Abraham Lincoln
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#107624 - 08/15/08 10:32 AM Re: What is Wrong With People [Re: tropsicleAfter]
bobbcat bobbcat Member Registered: 03/27/03 Posts: 6981 Loc: My office.	Neal Boortz weighs in today on his Nuze why he thinks there is a higher percentage of those who don't want the Fairness Doctrine to touch the internet: Quote: ...47% of Americans believe that the government should require all radio and TV stations to offer equal time to both sides. That's almost half of the people in this country want to make sure that I can't flap my gums all day about Barack Obama without being forced by the government to provide equal time to Obama sycophants. But when it comes to the Internet, 57% of Americans say that the government should not require websites and blogs to be beholden to the Fairness Doctrine. My question is ... what's the difference? These are simply different forms of communication ... why are people more inclined to shut down talk radio than they are their favorite blog or website? That would be because only about 17% of Americans are daily listeners to talk radio .. .while a much higher percentage fool around with the internet from time to time. For those 83% who have no real personal experience with talk radio, they readily buy into the left's description of talk radio as "right wing hate radio" and, consequently, they buy into the government regulation argument. I keep telling you that the so-called American love of freedom is pretty much a fraud. Perhaps now you're more willing to give that thought some attention. _________________________ Bottom line, it's either M-TEC or Andrews.
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#107672 - 08/15/08 01:51 PM Re: What is Wrong With People [Re: Glory1863]
MattsKat MattsKat Member Registered: 11/28/04 Posts: 2863 Loc: Here and Now...USA	Quote: One of the things that I would like to see tried in order to cut down on the cost of elections and thereby, one would hope, cut down on the amount of corruption (not to mention voter disgust) would be to cut all the obnoxious ads and in their place require all TV and radio stations to give X amount of free time to all candidates... And something I'd like to see to cut down on "corruption" as well as the "obnoxious ads" is to have just one national primary, the same date in all states, for all parties, with the same format - preferably not by caucus but by ballot (and one vote per customer, no crossing over to vote "for" the other party's weakest candidate) - so that we know who the two (or three) contenders are without all of this manufactured hoo-ha and suspense with Super Tuesday and beyond. But if the presidential election actually worked that way, what would the MSM have to talk/write/speculate about for the months leading up to November, (except the actual issues, of course)? _________________________ Those who can laugh at themselves shall never cease to be amused.
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#107680 - 08/15/08 01:59 PM Re: What is Wrong With People [Re: MattsKat]
moaab moaab Member Registered: 02/02/08 Posts: 467 Loc: Chicagoland	I agree, but I think there should be no primary. Six weeks before the election those who want to run should receive $100,000 from the government for campaigning (I know this isn't a lot.) and not use any private funds. That way they are not beholden to anyone. They should have two debates as well. When we vote we could vote from any of those candidates. This would also allow normal people who are not millionaires the chance to be elected, and we would have more than two people or parties to choose from. _________________________ Most people are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.........Abraham Lincoln's mother
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#107746 - 08/15/08 08:53 PM Re: What is Wrong With People [Re: tropsicleAfter]
bobbcat bobbcat Member Registered: 03/27/03 Posts: 6981 Loc: My office.	Quote: If the Pubs hadn't treated the Dems so badly for the first term (plus two years) of Dubya's presidency, perhaps the backlash wouldn't be so strong now. Considering politics as usual behind the Beltway, I don't recall that either side has been in the habit of treating the other side particularly well. Only on occasion does one hear of bipartisan teams getting together to forge policy, such as right now with the one trying to lay the groundwork for domestic drilling. I am inclined to wonder if the struggling Air America has not had something to do with the renewed interest in the Fairness Doctrine (what an oxymoron--what in the world is fair about it?). moaab, the trouble with that approach is that $100K would be a drop in the bucket for what would be needed to get someone the necessary exposure required to get real traction in a political race of any kind. People just don't support unknowns for the most part. Getting that exposure is very, very expensive. _________________________ Bottom line, it's either M-TEC or Andrews.
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#107747 - 08/15/08 09:07 PM Re: What is Wrong With People [Re: MattsKat]
Lizzie Lizzie Member Registered: 10/30/98 Posts: 2817 Loc: Washington	Quote: And something I'd like to see to cut down on "corruption" as well as the "obnoxious ads" is to have just one national primary, the same date in all states, for all parties, with the same format - preferably not by caucus but by ballot (and one vote per customer, no crossing over to vote "for" the other party's weakest candidate) - so that we know who the two (or three) contenders are without all of this manufactured hoo-ha and suspense with Super Tuesday and beyond. We agree on something. By the time my state had its say, McCain (the last on my list of potential picks) already had the nomination. _________________________ Live well, die ready.
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#107751 - 08/15/08 09:29 PM Re: What is Wrong With People [Re: Lizzie]
bobbcat bobbcat Member Registered: 03/27/03 Posts: 6981 Loc: My office.	Quote: is to have just one national primary, If they do away with the primary process the current way it exists, how will the American people get to know all the candidates? _________________________ Bottom line, it's either M-TEC or Andrews.
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#107752 - 08/15/08 09:36 PM Re: What is Wrong With People [Re: bobbcat]
Lizzie Lizzie Member Registered: 10/30/98 Posts: 2817 Loc: Washington	They can have as long as they want to campaign before the primary, just like they do now. If each state voted on the same day, all candidates would have an equal chance. It's hard for me, in my state, to vote (or caucus --- I would prefer to vote) in the primary for a candidate who has already resigned from the race because a few states have already decided the outcome. Maybe the outcome would be the same one way or another, but I would at least like to think I have a say in it. _________________________ Live well, die ready.
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#107755 - 08/15/08 10:03 PM Re: What is Wrong With People [Re: Lizzie]
bobbcat bobbcat Member Registered: 03/27/03 Posts: 6981 Loc: My office.	Maybe I am crazy, but it seems as if too many people don't bother to get to know the candidates until shortly before it's time to vote, plus one must take into account just how long it takes to conduct a state-by-state campaign. Perhaps this is why the primary season is designed the way that it is? Take note of how FL and MI were punished for scheduling their respective primaries way too early. _________________________ Bottom line, it's either M-TEC or Andrews.
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#107756 - 08/15/08 10:10 PM Re: What is Wrong With People [Re: bobbcat]
tropsicleAfter tropsicleAfter Member Registered: 10/30/06 Posts: 2674 Loc: Vicksburg, MS	Perhaps that's because they have been conditioned to that way of approaching national elections. It's not really even an election campaign anymore, more a marketing campaign. Substitute Pepsi and Coke for Obama and McCain and you can see what I mean. _________________________ *tropsicle*
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#107757 - 08/15/08 10:17 PM Re: What is Wrong With People [Re: bobbcat]
Lizzie Lizzie Member Registered: 10/30/98 Posts: 2817 Loc: Washington	Well, remember that I'm just wishful thinking here... It seems to me that the 2008 campaign got started as soon as the 2006 campaign ended. Hillary was forced to "come out" early because Obama was making his play. We really haven't had a break in the various campaigns. During that period, there was plenty of time for interested people to get to know the candidates, and plenty of time for the candidates to make themselves known. FL and MI were punished for trying to grab the power. If we only had one day of primaries, there would be no power to grab. There would be no need for a state-by-state campaign if the focus was national. Let them debate nationally. I can see state-by-state campaigning before the cable/Internet age, but I think we are at a point where we can get to "know" a candidate without personally shaking his/her hand. _________________________ Live well, die ready.
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#107772 - 08/16/08 12:01 AM Re: What is Wrong With People [Re: Lizzie]
bobbcat bobbcat Member Registered: 03/27/03 Posts: 6981 Loc: My office.	Quote: I can see state-by-state campaigning before the cable/Internet age, but I think we are at a point where we can get to "know" a candidate without personally shaking his/her hand. Lordy, hasn't the internet age done enough to erode face-to-face interactions? I shudder at the thought of our society sinking deeper into the stage where people hardly see one another in person ever. Just think for a bit just how far technology already has come as an instrument that keeps us all isolated from one another. It's scary to say the very least. _________________________ Bottom line, it's either M-TEC or Andrews.
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