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#108080 - 08/19/08 09:15 PM
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ABMT
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From factcheck.org, yet more distortions in a negative ad by BO:
Obama's campaign is running a TV ad in Indiana that asks the question: "How can John McCain fix the economy, when he doesn't think it's broken?" But the ad uses quotes from McCain that are old and taken out of context:
The ad shows McCain saying, "I don't believe we're headed into a recession." But McCain said that in January, and he also acknowledged at the time that the American economy was in "a rough patch."
The ad then shows McCain saying in April, "[T]here's been great progress economically." But the quote is lifted from a much longer response; McCain went on to say that the "progress" made during Bush's tenure still wouldn't console American families who are facing "tremendous economic challenges."
The third quote from McCain, "[W]e have had a pretty good prosperous time, with low unemployment," also comes from January. In his full response, McCain went on to say "things are tough right now."
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#108084 - 08/19/08 10:24 PM
Re: more distortions
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BlankKeys
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I don't know where he was in January, but things weren't exactly dandy at that time from where I sit. I doubt either McCain or BO has any idea just how tough times are economically for middle class and lower middle class families since neither has ever had to worry much about making ends meet.
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#108085 - 08/19/08 10:34 PM
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fostermama
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BO has any idea just how tough times are economically for middle class and lower middle class families since neither has ever had to worry much about making ends meet . . .
What, are you kidding? 
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#108087 - 08/19/08 10:37 PM
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ABMT
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BK,
That is why his full quote which BO took out of context included this:
In his full response, McCain went on to say "things are tough right now."
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#108088 - 08/19/08 10:42 PM
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ABMT
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#108117 - 08/20/08 10:18 AM
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BlankKeys
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I have read biographies of both men and I do not see where either of them has ever struggled financially. They have both been in overpayed positions since they joined the workforce and one is currently married to an heiress. No, I think we can safely assume they don't worry about having enough money to pay the mortgage every month, don't shop with coupons at discount stores, don't scrape to save money for their kids' college educations, and don't fear a catastrophic illness that their almost non existant medical insurance won't handle. That is struggling. That's what a large percentage of Americans are doing right now and neither of these fine gentleman gives a red rat's arse about it no matter what they say in their campaign speeches because they are completely out of touch with the average American.
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#108120 - 08/20/08 10:37 AM
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I don't believe you have to experience it not to recognize it for what it is, nor write either of them off in their understanding on how even marginal fluctuations in the economy effects the average citizen. I think they do have different ways on how to achieve prosperity for Americans. McCain is into globalization, Obama not so much.
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#108124 - 08/20/08 11:22 AM
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bobbcat
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Perhaps WTE of his global poverty act.
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#108125 - 08/20/08 11:36 AM
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ABMT
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Even these increases, however, will not be enough to satisfy the requirements of the Obama bill. A global tax will clearly be necessary to force American taxpayers to provide the money.
But he is not going to raise our taxes, right? ROFL.
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#108134 - 08/20/08 01:59 PM
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Piglet
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What does this have to do with globalization of the free market?
This type of proposal is nothing new. Nor should it be so controversial. What is wrong with using a percentage of the GDP for global aid? I think it could lend a great deal of good to our lagging reputation. I propose we take it out of the military budget.
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#108140 - 08/20/08 02:52 PM
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fostermama
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I note that the article you refer to was written on February 12, 2008. What is the status of this bill?
I don't see any reference to it as active legislation on either the House or the Senate website, but I'll continue to muddle through those sites for you. 
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#108142 - 08/20/08 03:12 PM
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bobbcat
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Here is a page that shows its current status.
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#108143 - 08/20/08 03:16 PM
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fostermama
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Excellent.
So, "as it would appear here", the bill seems to have been abandoned?
ETA: Well, thank goodness if it has, because I would sure rather have my taxes keep on going to Halliburton rather than to try to help eradicate global poverty, or find alternative energy sources, or build new dams and bridges and schools in our own country.
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#108147 - 08/20/08 03:31 PM
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bobbcat
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Going by what that page says, it does look as if no action is pending on this bill to date. Not sure if it has really been abandoned. Last Action: Apr 24, 2008: Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 718.
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#108148 - 08/20/08 03:34 PM
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fostermama
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No doubt it will come up again, hopefully after they address some of the pressing needs in the US.
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#108221 - 08/20/08 08:50 PM
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Phyllis Nilsson
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We will never eradicate poverty even in this country, what makes anyone think we can eradicate it globally. There will always be those who live below the poverty level and those who have more money than most of us could ever imagine having.
Some people don't believe we should even protect people's lives in other countries, to say nothing of feeding, clothing, and housing everyone in the world.
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#108223 - 08/20/08 08:59 PM
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As always, I just want to see every American taken care of before we spend billions on others. Just considering the billions we have poured into Iraq (BTW - what other country invades a sovereign nation, obliterates its military, destroys its infrastructure, captures and prosecutes its ruler, and then continues to bankrupt itself while rebuilding the invaded country?), we would have been able to accomplish so much here.
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#108244 - 08/20/08 10:26 PM
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fostermama
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I hear what you are saying.
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