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#9484 - 05/14/05 02:11 PM If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
bbpi03
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Registered: 03/12/04
Posts: 3251
Loc: Summerland.
This is a sample I made up including many things I have had to look up over my time as a student and employee. The only thing I have partially copied is a SAMPLE of an EKG report. I just cannot go about making that up. It would be totally messed up.

I have made this sample because I thought it would be useful for people who are thinking of entering this profession. It gives you an idea of what you need to know (not just terminology), and teaches about the research aspect of the job.

Some things to remember:
1. This is easier than actually listening to it, so remember that you will have to deal with mumblers, accents, bad pronunciation (which I MAY have included).
2. I made sure to spell things wrong and put incorrect grammar and punctuation. It is your job to get it all right.
3. I wrote things sort of like they would say them, like abbreviations. You have to look them up.
4. I understand if you are new, you will not know about BOS standards, but as far as the corrected version, you will see some other things you didn’t know that you didn’t know. Not every one uses the BOS, but most employers, in my opinion, would expect you to.
5. I have used ... for pauses. Some dictators pause at weird times.

Here we go!!

Patient comes in with a two day history of shortness of breath rhinnorrhea cough. No nausea or vomiting diarrhea no ...chest pain times three days. He has a pee em h significent for thyroidosis secondary to hypothyroidism. She is currently taking si-toh-mul. H ee ee en tee ay an oh tim...(cuts that word off) well developed well nourished female in no acute distress. Ay an oh times 3. Pearla. Ee oh em eye. Oropharynx revealed 2 plus enlarged red cryptic tonsills. Neck supple. Lungs see tee ay. Heart see ee kay gee. Mucus membranes are moist. Extremities there are no cyanosis clubbing or edema.

Laboratory data. Tee ess h point 4. Glucose 14.5 w bee cee 5 lymphs 23 4 monos. bee you enn 14 creat 1. Sodium 140 milliequivalents.

Ee kay gee possible atrial flutter approximately three two one. Baseline sinus rhythm pee q are ess is one two one. ST elevation is present in the anterior, septal, and literal leads. Massive ST segment elevation is present in vee two two vee six with moderate ST elevation that obscures visualization of the q are ess complex in lead one. Changes are consistent with ell see ay occlusion.

We will continue her on her current medication and she should followup in one months time. Treat as above.





I think the experts of this board should put a correct version out. I don’t trust myself to get everything right, and I do not want to confuse anyone. I have been studying now for about 1 year. I am not done with school (I am doing operative reports at the moment), and I have worked doing discharge summaries for about 3 weeks now. Even though my employer says that I am doing fine, I do want to leave this for those who have more experience than I .


IMPORTANT NOTE
I do not want to scare people off from becoming an MT. Do NOT expect to do well on this. It is simply a tool that shows you what you would hear on a report, and the things you have to think about. People who think about this as a job they would like to have do not realize all of the things you have to think about. I didn’t. No one can possibly know all there is to know about a job until they are in the other person’s shoes.

Some examples of things MTs think throughout a report: Is there a hyphen that goes there? Is that spelled right? Is that the correct verb tense? Did that sentence even make sense?

If you ENJOY this, and think you can learn all of the things you got wrong, then check out one of the 2 great schools out there.

The other thing to think about is that you have to do this EFFICIENTLY in order to make any money. That will be taught by a good school as well. Notice how loooong this will take, and it is only a few lines. A good MT can whip this baby out in no time flat, but it takes school AND practice, not just knowing how to type and some terminology.

This will also show those who think that all MTs do is type, or know some words and type, that they are wrong. Maybe those will have a little more respect for what we do. And then say...gosh I would like to do that. Or not.

Maybe an actor/actress on this board, along with 14 Tonks or Mike can put together a wav file for prospective MTers to download. I may live in a fantasy world, but someday it will happen.



Shan

Edited because I forgot a line, not that it mattered, and to correct an extra word I had in there, not that IT mattered either. Just me being anal.


Edited by bbpi03 (05/14/05 06:15 PM)
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#9485 - 05/14/05 02:13 PM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
NightBird
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Very cool, Shan.
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#9486 - 05/14/05 02:19 PM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
bbpi03
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Registered: 03/12/04
Posts: 3251
Loc: Summerland.
Thanks. I hope it does more good than harm. I think something like this would have helped me when I was thinking about doing MT.

If others don't think this was a good idea, I can take my licking

Shan
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#9487 - 05/14/05 03:22 PM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
mt4me
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Registered: 07/16/04
Posts: 555
Loc: Arizona
Hi Shan. I posted on the other board before you moved this. Great post and I'm sure it will do a lot of good. I wish something like that would have been around for me when I was thinking about going into this field.

Marti

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#9488 - 05/14/05 03:24 PM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
Dixie64
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Registered: 05/17/04
Posts: 4164
Shan, that's way too cool! Dixie
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#9489 - 05/14/05 03:55 PM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
FarAwayDeb
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Registered: 03/15/02
Posts: 2956
Loc: just south of Rochester, NY
This was great! Some of the things I had to go back over to understand (can you say ee eye ee eye oh? LOL) One of the things I really hate is abbreviations. If you are doing something you are not familiar with (I am still 4 months away from 2 years' experience) sometimes it is almost impossible to understand if they are saying "e" or "c" or "b" or "t" or "v" - they all sound alike!

Good job.

"FarAwayDeb"
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#9490 - 05/18/05 03:26 PM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
bbpi03
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Registered: 03/12/04
Posts: 3251
Loc: Summerland.
Oh wow, gee golly!!! I thought you were just going to put a link to this thing in the other one already pinned. I am honored. Thank you, Annie.


Now, who is going to put an "answer key" version in here?? Any takers?
Shan
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#9491 - 05/19/05 12:21 PM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
Ebit
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Registered: 01/10/03
Posts: 1300
Loc: Black Hole of the Internet
This is just SUPER. What a great idea!
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#9492 - 05/20/05 07:39 AM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
Susan Francis CMT
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Registered: 07/03/98
Posts: 472
Loc: Akron OH USA
Quote:

Now, who is going to put an "answer key" version in here?? Any takers? Shan




This is eye-catching and priceless, Shan. You should get extra credit for this one!! I did not see you use my favorite (alot) in your sample though. May I have permission to paste this to our general discussion forums too, please -- or would you be willing to put it there?! I think it would be well received!!!

Susan

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#9493 - 05/20/05 07:44 AM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
bbpi03
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Registered: 03/12/04
Posts: 3251
Loc: Summerland.
I will do that. Thanks a lot!

Shan
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#9494 - 06/23/05 10:12 AM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
lilgranny
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Registered: 06/23/05
Posts: 60
Loc: Illinois
Not only (alot) but how about (grammer)

lilgranny
Still a student and love it.

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#9495 - 06/23/05 02:55 PM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
bbpi03
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Registered: 03/12/04
Posts: 3251
Loc: Summerland.
Here is the corrected version for anyone who is trying this out.

I have tried to reference everything basic on here. If you do not have the BOS, there may be other sources like grammar sites, but some of the rules are only for medical reports. They have made these rules to keep things easy to read. If you have comma in the wrong place, schools will mark you wrong. As long as you do not change the meaning, most companies will not. Words that were spelled wrong on the original are underlined, now spelled correctly.

After a couple of months on the job, you will usually be expected to get 98% accuracy.

There are some things that are style issues, so we will just let those go for now. For example, some companies want you to put Heart: Regular rate and rhythm. While some may want you to do it like this. Heart has a regular rate and rhythm. And on and on. You need to know the rules and follow your employer’s wishes and be able to remember the rules should you change jobs.





Patient comes in with a 2-day history of [Hyphen for compound modifier rule, and use numeral instead of writing out the word “two” from the BOS] shortness of breath, rhinorrhea, and cough. No nausea, vomiting, or diarrhea. [Some companies will not let you change the wording, but if you can, it sounds better this way] Chest pain x3 days. [This rule about the “x” and numeral is in the BOS. As far as how it may seem like he is saying “no chest pain” you can flag this report to be sure, but I think it is clear from the fact that the patient is having an EKG that there IS chest pain. ] He has a PMH significant for thyroiditis [Thyroidosis is not a word] secondary to hypothyroidism. She is currently taking Cytomel. [Must be capitalized, although some companies change that. You can look up drugs on rxlist.com or a good drug book]
HEENT: [Yes he stumbles here, but you will be able to recognize what he means to say with practice] Well-developed, well-nourished female in no acute distress. A&O x3. [This means alert and oriented times 3. A good source for acronyms or abbreviations is MT Chat, and there are books with them as well] PERRLA. EOMI. Oropharynx revealed 2+ enlarged, red, cryptic tonsils. [Commas must be correct. 2+ listed in BOS] Neck: Supple. Lungs: CTA. Heart: See EKG. Mucous membranes are moist. [You may want to move this up to oropharynx, but since there was no subheading dictated, you can also leave it.] Extremities: There is [“are” was the wrong verb form for this sentence] no cyanosis, clubbing, or edema.

Laboratory data: TSH 0.4. [You should put the 0 before a decimal as stated in the BOS] Glucose 14.5. {BLANK AND FLAG FOR INCORRECT ITEM OR VALUE) WBC 5 with 23 lymphs, 4 monos. BUN 14. Creatinine 1. Sodium 140 mEq. (CHANGE TO mg OR BLANK/FLAG)

EKG: Possible atrial flutter approximately 3:1. Baseline sinus rhythm, P:QRS is 1:1. ST elevation is present in the anterior, septal, and lateral leads. Massive ST segment elevation is present in V2-V6, with moderate ST elevation that obscures visualization of the QRS complex in lead I. Changes are consistent with LCA occlusion.

We will continue her on her current medication, and she should follow up in one month’s time.
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#9496 - 08/15/05 08:36 AM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
Ashley
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Registered: 08/08/05
Posts: 24
Loc: Earth, I think...
Shan,

I am currently an MT student who has 10 more weeks of class left. I did this "test" on a Word document and did quite well. Thank you for the interesting little "quiz".

Here is my issue I had with the quiz: I have a habit of spelling out all abbreviations, or putting the spelled out words in parenthesis. I realize in certain situations, abbreviations are absolutely NOT allowed. However, in the situations that are not under those strict guidelines, will I always absolutely add only the abbreviations as the doctor dictates them? This is not a clear cut answer that I seem to get from my instructors. That could be a circumstance that is purely up to my company that I work for, correct? Or is there a steadfast universal rule that all MTs adhere to?

Thanks for your help!(ahead of time)
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#9497 - 08/15/05 08:53 AM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
Gisele Dubson
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Registered: 05/28/99
Posts: 5738
Loc: Boulder, CO, USA
The only hard and fast rule is, don't use abbreviations if the dictator does not! I have students who are eager to demonstrate that they know many abbreviations, and if the doctor dictates congestive heart failure, they want to either convert this to CHF, or add CHF in parenthesis after the term. There is never any reason to do this, you add no information by doing it. Conversely, if the dictator uses an abbreviation, you can either leave as is, or you may want to expand it depending on where it appears in a report (if it's in the final impression or diagnosis, it should be written in full so that there is no mistaking if for something else). There are some abbreviations that stand for more than one thing, and you may elect to expand those elsewhere in a report if you think there might be any confusion. It usually takes a new MT a while to determine what might be a very rare or even non-standard meaning for an abbreviation such as HM (hand motion, hand movements, harmonic mean, health maintenance, heart murmur ...).

Gee, that's more than I meant to write, I don't know if this helps you or not!
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#9498 - 08/15/05 09:13 AM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
bbpi03
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Registered: 03/12/04
Posts: 3251
Loc: Summerland.
Thanks Gisele! You said that much better than I could have.

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#9499 - 08/15/05 09:43 AM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
AnnR
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Posts: 18567
Loc: Ocean Park WA
Quote:

add CHF in parenthesis after the term




Gisele, my late unlamented "primary" account required that the first appearance of an abbreviation was written this way, with the expansion and then the abbreviation in parentheses after it. That turned out to be a real pain sometimes, because it meant if the dictator used the expansion first and then the abbreviation later, I had to go back and find the expanded phrase and stick the abbreviation next to it. And yes, I did get spoken to for NOT doing this a few times. It was an unthinking directive by an MR supervisor who didn't think it out. I am pretty sure it did not come from "above"
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#9500 - 08/15/05 10:12 AM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
lib527
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And yes, it will depend a lot on who you work for, too. I have a client that wants abbreviations everywhere unless it is a letter going to another physician, insurance company, etc. I do not use abbreviations in the diagnosis portion (as Gisele said) but I have one sleep med. physician who WANTS abbreviations even there because he likes to try to keep his reports on one page if possible. The same guy also likes certain common abbreviations even in correspondence to other physicians. I know their main motivation in using abbreviations is to keep line counts down. Yet another client dictates abbreviations but wants them all spelled out unless it is just a note for the chart. So it will vary depending on what the client wants and that may be why instructors don't put a lot of emphasis on that. I try to have a uniform set of rules for my transcription but I've found over the years that many doctors are set in their ways and while it may conflict with what you've learned, it's easier in the long run to just accommodate them since they're footing the bill. Unless, of course, it's a blatant grammar or spelling error. Then I will fight for what is proper. I've learned that you can't teach an old doc new tricks, though, so I choose my battles wisely. If it's just a matter of style, I'll usually do it their way and that sometimes means I have a lot to remember since each doc wants it done a different way.
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#9501 - 08/15/05 10:52 AM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
jdbcmt
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Registered: 08/18/04
Posts: 513
Quote:

I have a habit of spelling out all abbreviations, or putting the spelled out words in parenthesis




In addition to the great advice already given, I'll add my 2 cents. Generally, your company, account, or client will determine this for you, as far as which abbreviations are to be expanded, in which sections of the report, etc. Unless your employer specifically wants you to expand ALL abbreviations, I wouldn't do this. As lib said, many dictators/accounts want their dictated abbreviations kept due to financial concerns. Also, sometimes it is impossible to tell what the correct expansion is in the given context if they don't dictate it. If you expand some abbreviations (in the body) simply by personal choice, you must expand ALL abbreviations. If you can't tell what the correct expansion is, you are guessing. If you don't realize there is more than 1 possible correct expansion to the same abbreviation, and you choose the one you happen to know, that is just as bad as guessing. So, if you then have expanded out every other abbreviation and you come to one you don't know or can't figure out with 100% certainty, you would then need to go back up and delete all your expansions and change them back to the abbreviations, for the sake of consistency, or leave a BLANK in the one abbreviation you can't figure out the correct expansion for, which you obviously cannot and should not do. In the absence of clear-cut directions on when and when not to expand, to expand out some and not all is unprofessional. These are just some examples of other scenarios where you can actually compromise patient care, your professionalism, and your job by expanding accepted abbreviations unnecessarily.

Another reason not to do this (unless specifically instructed) is that a lot of companies will consider this "cheating" your line count by popping in an entire expanded abbreviation when the abbreviation was dictated, desired, and in most cases perfectly acceptable and oftentimes more appropriate in terms of clarity and readability than an expanded abbreviation. I've heard some physicians complaining when certain abbreviations were expanded in the impression section (even on the accounts that required us to expand in the impression/assessment/diagnosis sections). More often than not, the docs do not want abbreviations expanded. If your employer tells you specifically to do it, then you're fine (assuming you know or can determine what the correct expansion is). To do it otherwise, you are taking a chance. Just IMHO.

To sum it up, your employer should tell you what they want/require. If they don't specifically tell you to expand ALL abbreviations, particularly the ones in the main body of the report, I don't personally think it's a good idea to do this.

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#9502 - 08/15/05 11:38 AM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
Gisele Dubson
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Registered: 05/28/99
Posts: 5738
Loc: Boulder, CO, USA
Okay, is it all now as clear as mud? These are issues that make my students' eyes roll back in their heads as we get into them. No matter what you've learned in school, I can almost guarantee that someone will ask you to do things differently. I try to accommodate those requests, but I can't remember how to do things 50 different ways for 50 different dictators, so I don't use any abbreviation unless the doc dictates it as an abbreviation. I work for a small number of my own clients, and fortunately, we are all pretty much on the same page about theset things. If I were working for a bunch of clients for a service, I would have to get my marching orders from the MTSO, not necessarily the client.
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#9503 - 08/15/05 12:18 PM Re: If you want to know what an MT does...correct place!!
jdbcmt
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Registered: 08/18/04
Posts: 513
Quote:

These are issues that make my students' eyes roll back in their heads as we get into them




Well, these issues can make experienced MTs' eyes roll back in their heads, too. It is a fact of life as an MT that every customer wants it their way. Students might as well get used to it, just like everyone else.

Some MTSOs might very well have the luxury of putting their foot down and/or controlling how many exceptions there are to the rule. But, if this student, or any other for that matter, goes to work for a national, endless rules and exceptions to the rule are pretty much a given. Nobody likes it, but most of us have all had to get used to it.

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